4th and Goal: Week Eight 10.22.23

[00:00:00] Speaker A: WVUA FM Tuscaloosa. [00:00:17] Speaker B: Hello, everyone, and welcome back to the Fourth and Goal Podcast, WVUA 90.7, the Capstone's number one podcast for all things college football. Today we're going to be recapping a crazy week of college football. Um, and obviously we had the third Saturday in October game. Our very own Alabama Crimson Tide hosted Tennessee. I'm Kaden Johnson, joined today by our producer Nick Addis and my co host Joe Schottz. And we're going to get started right in with this Alabama Tennessee game. Huge game, electric atmosphere. We were just talking about it before we started recording, but we'll restate it for the podcast. Guys, how do we feel about the atmosphere in Bryant Denny yesterday? [00:00:55] Speaker A: I mean, it was the best atmosphere we've definitely had this year. Second was the Texas game. Texas game was so much fun. But the Tennessee game, I mean, there was nothing like it. You could tell that everyone after the game was electric. I mean, rolling down the stands or walking down the stairs after the game, everyone was chanting, Roll Tide. I can't say the other one, but, yeah, it was a great game. I loved the atmosphere. [00:01:20] Speaker C: Yeah, it was probably the loudest stadium atmosphere I'd been at or I'd been to in my four years here. So just kind of a crazy environment. And I mean, the scoop and score to, I guess, kind of seal the game. Yeah, that was one of the loudest things I've ever heard. So, yeah, it was like an awesome place to be. [00:01:50] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, especially just the second half. It was crazy seeing the switch in the entire stadium as a whole. Like, as far as morale goes from first half to second half, the student section got kind of fired up. I don't know if y'all caught this. Well, surely y'all did, but when the Tennessee band came out at halftime and you couldn't even hear Rocky Top being played, it was just like it was just straight booze. That was hilarious. That kind of got everybody fired up. And then the team came out, started with like a two play drive in the second half. Hit Bond. [00:02:24] Speaker C: Yeah. What was it? [00:02:25] Speaker A: Two plays, 75 yards? [00:02:27] Speaker B: Yeah, something like that. [00:02:28] Speaker A: 11 seconds. [00:02:29] Speaker B: We just didn't look back from there, really. As far as the first half, though, we'll talk about that first, get the more negative stuff out of the way. What do you guys think went wrong in the first half? Do you think it was just a lack of preparation? [00:02:43] Speaker A: I don't know if you should talk about what went wrong or what didn't go right or the few things that went right. I mean, it was just terrible execution by the offense. Defense couldn't hold or I mean, they would hold Tennessee in the red zone for what, their last two trips in the first half? [00:03:00] Speaker B: Yeah, well, the last one they scored. [00:03:03] Speaker A: Yeah, the last one they scored, but I mean, they held them in the red zone twice to a field goal. I can't be mad about that, but offense just couldn't execute. I feel like we ran the ball a little too much. We need to put the ball in the air a bit more. Yeah, it just wasn't great in the first half. [00:03:18] Speaker C: Yeah, I'll also agree with that sentiment. I didn't really love the play calling. I thought it was a little uncreative. It seemed like Alabama ran like five plays, like different variations of five plays where it's like run up the middle, like slant or whatever. And then they tried to take a deep shot and punt. That just kind of seemed like to be the formula for the first half, which, yeah, the defense didn't play awesome, but when there's essentially three and outs every single time on offense, defense is just going to get worn out. So I thought they kept the team in the game in the first half, but yeah, it was a terrible offensive performance in the first half. I honestly thought that Tommy Reese would have gotten fired had that kept. [00:04:16] Speaker A: Like he was scared. It felt like he was scared to do anything outside of the norm. And then we came out of the what was the second half when we came out with the I can't remember what, it was some crazy play that got us a few yards. I think it was the first drive of the second half. [00:04:34] Speaker B: First drive of the second half was the Jace McClellan run. And then it was literally just those two plays and then the deep shot to Bond. Yeah, and one thing that I think that is going to hurt this team in the future if this keeps up, because it already is now a little bit is the offensive game plan of just kind of praying that there's a busted coverage and that we can hit someone wide open streaking 60 yards down the field. Even when that does work, there's no sustained drives that let our guys on defense get rest because like Joe said, it's either three and out or we're scoring in five plays because it's a deep shot. We don't necessarily see a lot of those can play drives, 13 play drives. I think the one in the fourth quarter, we took like seven minutes off the clock. [00:05:25] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:05:25] Speaker B: So that was good. [00:05:26] Speaker C: That's what I was just about to say. Even when we do go on those long drives, they stall out at the 30 and world record kicks. Thank the high heavens that we have world record to kick those field goals. But yeah, it seems like if they do a sustained drive, it results in field goal. [00:05:50] Speaker A: But we take a shot down the field, we immediately have a touchdown. [00:05:54] Speaker C: We'll get a two play, like 90 something yard drive and score touchdown. So it's really weird, but I'll say I agree with you and especially if you start that slow like next week against LSU, it could be 28 2035, seven at halftime. With how many opportunities Tennessee really had to put the game away in the first half. [00:06:23] Speaker B: I'm glad we're talking about this, though, just because I didn't want to let Tommy Reese get away with what was like one of the most awfully called first halfs I've ever seen. Just some specific examples I can think of. Early in the game, I'd say probably late first quarter, third and four. We're driving a little bit third and four, probably at the 50, maybe a little bit across the 50, and we just throw a bomb down the sideline. I mean, first down, we get a first down run on first and second down, and then it's third and four, and we just throw a bomb in the double coverage down the sideline. And it's just like that's really the best thing we can draw. [00:07:00] Speaker C: It almost felt like we switched offensive coordinators after the half, like somebody else got the play sheet or something. [00:07:07] Speaker B: But even in the second half, there was one instance that I can think of that we punted early in the second half where obviously it started to get some rhythm in the passing game. Jalen Milro was hitting some of those intermediate passes that he often struggles with. And we came out and went three and out on three straight runs. And it's just like, are you like, are you not watching the game? Are you not watching what's happening? That's just crazy to me. Those are mistakes that, like Joe said, when we play against a high powered offense like LSU or even an offense like Georgia in the SEC championship, if we make it there, you just can't do that. [00:07:48] Speaker C: No, Tennessee is not like this is not like last year's, Tennessee team were holding them to 20 points would have been like a miracle. [00:07:57] Speaker B: This is an average offense. [00:07:59] Speaker C: They've scored 20 in back to back weeks. They've had a couple of big games, but it's not the same. And I honestly think, like, Josh Hypo, the coach for Tennessee, is really getting anything and everything out of I thought this game, to be honest, was like, both of these teams are so similar and what they can and cannot do. Like, Joe Milton, I don't know if I trust him to throw, like, a slant route effectively, but if I need, like, a 70 yard bomb, yeah, Joe. [00:08:33] Speaker A: Milton needs the fastest receivers in college football for Tennessee's offense to be like, really? Because he can run the ball well, he can throw 80 yard bombs well. [00:08:45] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:08:45] Speaker A: Anything else I wouldn't trust him to do. [00:08:49] Speaker C: It was essentially, I think, the same offensive philosophies or the same kind of limitations that both these teams had. And luckily, I think Alabama was just able to adjust. Tennessee second half was essentially what we're all complaining about right now with Tommy Reese's play calling. That's kind of what was happening with tennessee in the second half. They had a lot of questionable calls. We talked a little bit before the show about the decision where you have a legitimate quarterback the size of Derek Henry, like 6565, 250, and you're going to hand it off to your running. [00:09:28] Speaker A: Back who in the shotgun from the. [00:09:32] Speaker C: Shotgun on a fourth and one. Honestly, probably the only thing Alabama could have stopped on that fourth. And so, like, I don't know why they would do that, but yeah, just a really bizarre game. Or second half for Tennessee offensively, I don't know what it was, but Kevin Steele can get the defense to rally. Yeah, to rally. I would have loved to have known in general just what the halftime speech was. I mean, we need like the Coach Prime videographer to do whatever Nick Saban said at halftime because there was like an immediate switch flipped. [00:10:09] Speaker A: Those are industry secrets, though, and you can't share those with the world. [00:10:12] Speaker B: Yeah, really. I will give credit where it's due to Milton. He played electric in the first half, he played up to the preseason hype that he had in that first half. And that's also another knock that I'm going to take at Bama before we start praising him too much. I thought that we came out very unprepared on the coaching side of things. You see a lot of things that were kind of just like, okay, that's obvious. First drive of the game, joe Milton hits Squirrel White on a 40 yard bomb where Squirrel White is being guarded 40 yards down the field by I think it was Braswell. We have braswell. We had Dallas Turner dropping into coverage a little bit on the first and second drive of the game. And then the Squirrel White thing continued for the whole first half. It's almost disrespectful in a way. You have the opposing team's wide receiver one and more often than not, he was being guarded in the first half by a combination of Braswell, Deontay Lawson and Malachi Moore. Who malachi Moore is not a corner. And then we have not only that, but this is a Tennessee team that has brew McCoy as well, who you could argue was their wide receiver, one or two, and he's hurt for the rest of the year. So this is a team that's already depleted at the wide receiver position. And then on top of that, Alabama doesn't put any focus on locking down the wide receiver one. Their obvious threat. Their obvious biggest threat to throw. [00:11:39] Speaker C: Yeah, I think Dallas Turner covered a guy at some point in this game, which that was weird as well. [00:11:45] Speaker A: Shouldn't be happening. [00:11:46] Speaker B: That's something we would have seen last year from Pete Gold. [00:11:49] Speaker C: Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Some weird schematic thing. And I don't really know who was making that call specifically, but it seemed like once they actually stopped doing that, tennessee couldn't move the ball. So I'm glad they figured it out. But took them a while to realize chris Braswell isn't guarding a a weird. There was there was a lot of weird decisions on Alabama by Alabama in that first half, that to be honest, it wasn't a good half of football for Alabama in general. But Tennessee didn't I feel like they didn't even do anything all that crazy. [00:12:31] Speaker B: They just played good. Yeah, they just played well. [00:12:33] Speaker C: They just executed everything that they so and know before we get into, like you said, heaping the praise that just had to be said. [00:12:45] Speaker B: Yeah, but moving on to that second half, of course, we outscored Tennessee 27 to zero in the second half. Jalen Milrow had the bulk of his passing yards. He had a really good game on the ground, which is going to go unnoticed because in college, the numbers for quarterback rushing get skewed a little bit. But there's multiple instances that I can think of where Milro either on a designed run or took off on his own and got, like, big yards. He had a 15 yard run, and of course, it says nine carries for three yards if you go look at the stat sheet. But in reality, I would like to see what the number is. But as far as true rushing yards, I'd have to say it's got to be like, in the 30s, probably. [00:13:26] Speaker C: Yeah, I think his longest run of the day, I believe, was 15 yards. He had a couple, like, ten, kind of five to ten yard runs also that put him in a really good spot. And I just don't really know why we don't use him more like that. You want to protect your quarterback, and to be honest, Milro, I don't know if it's like, a mental thing, but sometimes I don't think he doesn't want to run. I don't think he thinks he's fast or something, because there are a couple of times where I remember one specifically. He scrambled instead of going to the outside. Like, he made it very obvious he. [00:14:11] Speaker A: Was going to run. [00:14:11] Speaker C: Instead of kind of going to the outside where he had more space, he went up the middle and slid and got like, two yards yeah. When he could have at least probably gotten, like, five. And I think later in the game he might have realized it because it was like a big third down and ten. He had a scramble and kind of took a big hit. But, yeah, something's weird there with him and its running ability. [00:14:35] Speaker B: What I'd like to point out, too, is this isn't like something that's been going on all season. You saw Murrow at the start of the year and against Mississippi State. He breaks off a 50 yard touchdown run on his own. This is something that's been going on like, the last three or so weeks. And what I speculated a little bit was just I feel like him and Tommy Reese both have gotten it so drilled into their heads that they want to prove that he can be this clean pocket passer in the intermediate game, in the short game, that he just doesn't realize sometimes that, hey, I'm the most athletic person on the field. I can almost run for five to ten yards at will whenever I want if I escape the pocket. [00:15:18] Speaker C: I think some of it is like, they try to set up his athleticism and scrambling ability through passing. They make defenses fear the passing so much that they can run him a lot more, but it doesn't really work because Alabama, we watched the first half, didn't really have an effective passing game to where you were ever like, oh, man, Jalen Millrow, I wonder if he can take off. You can't really set up the run. They want to set up the run through the pass, whereas they couldn't pass it, so they couldn't run it well, either. [00:15:53] Speaker A: The thing about Muro, I think, is that fans expect him to have the same downfield awareness as Cam Newton did in his primer, as Lamar Jackson does, but he doesn't have the ability to. [00:16:05] Speaker C: Be like, okay, I got to tuck. [00:16:06] Speaker A: And run, but I also got to look downfield. He's going to go one way or the other. [00:16:10] Speaker C: He's going to scramble out, he's going. [00:16:12] Speaker A: To look downfield, or he's going to tuck and run. [00:16:14] Speaker B: But that's something like, I know for a fact it'll get better next year. I wouldn't be surprised at all if Is is amazing next year. [00:16:21] Speaker A: Yeah, he's still a sophomore. [00:16:22] Speaker B: He shows a lot of signs, a lot of flashes, especially of being great, and a lot of the things that he has to work on are pretty simple in the first half. One thing that I noticed, because he didn't have a good first half at all, but one thing that I did notice was that he's not really going through or he wasn't in the first half going through progressions a lot. It was kind of like, here's my first check. Okay, I'm still following my first check. He's still covered. Okay, I'm still following my first check. He's covered. And then by that time, it's sack, or he had a couple of throwaways, which I was actually happy to see him. [00:16:57] Speaker A: Yeah, I love seeing those throwaways. [00:16:59] Speaker B: Yeah. But other than that, though, he came out in the second half was electric. Hit Bond in stride. He was wide open, but hit Bond in stride. He had some crazy plays late in the game. There was the big third down pass to Jermaine Burton, who made a crazy athletic catch. He did have a couple of overthrows late in the game on some, like, 15 yard outs, but all in all, I think Milro had a fantastic game. He delivered in big moments, and then, like I said, something that's going to go unnoticed just because of the box score, is that he did have three or four crucial runs late in the game. [00:17:35] Speaker C: I wish college football didn't count sacks. I don't really know why they do. I don't think I've ever seen a quarterback take a sack and be like, yeah, that's like a negative. [00:17:45] Speaker B: And it's weird too, because it's not even a running play. [00:17:48] Speaker C: No, not at all. [00:17:49] Speaker B: So that doesn't even make sense. [00:17:51] Speaker C: I don't get it weird. He probably did have a good like 30, 40 yards on the ground. [00:17:59] Speaker B: Yeah. But anyways, Alabama talking about them a little bit more as a team set of individually, how do we feel about where this Alabama team stands with some of the teams slightly ahead of Alabama? I e. Like UNC even oregon struggled a little bit. Texas struggled, oklahoma struggled, and Penn State obviously losing to Ohio state, which we'll get into later. How do you feel about Alabama seeing them perform the way they did in the second half and then seeing some of those teams ranked slightly ahead of them? [00:18:30] Speaker C: Like it just kind of shows that I don't think Alabama and it's weird mean, the AP poll hasn't at least released yet. Hasn't been released yet, but they're probably going to move up a little bit. [00:18:44] Speaker B: At least once we looked and coaches poll had us at eight. [00:18:48] Speaker C: Yeah, like UNC lost, a couple other teams lost and didn't look great. But it's like Alabama still has an actual really good path to potentially be in a national championship or at least a playoff. Know, it's essentially it's a win out scenario. Know, you have to beat LSU, Kentucky, Chattanooga, Auburn and then win the SEC, which isn't easy by any stretch, but. [00:19:10] Speaker A: I think it's if we play every game like we did the second half of the UT game, I am a genuine believer that will make it to. [00:19:18] Speaker C: The know and it's going to be hard. Georgia's still playing really good. They haven't played much, but they've looked really good while doing it, so it's hard. But it's not like I'm looking at this and Alabama is going to be the outside looking in today. It's still very wide open. And I think for some of the players and fans, I think it's weird. But I think Alabama is going a little underrated this year, which doesn't normally happen, but just kind of it might be like the stagnation of that. We were number eleven for like a month. Yeah, but it might be that. But I just feel like that the way that people have viewed Alabama, they're still very much in it and they actually on a game by game basis to an extent. Arkansas last week wasn't great, but they've gotten better essentially after that game, you know, ole, Mississippi State, a M, Arkansas, Tennessee, you know, and most of those games, probably all of them except Arkansas. You can say that Alabama looked better than maybe the previous week. Yeah. [00:20:34] Speaker B: Like you said, other than the second half of the Arkansas game, I think they've gotten better every single week. [00:20:41] Speaker C: I swear the second half of the. [00:20:42] Speaker B: Arkansas game was but that even makes it into the first half of the Tennessee game. [00:20:45] Speaker C: Yeah, exactly. I don't know what Alabama it's going to be hard because they got LSU who also really wants to beat them in another revenge game. But yeah, it's very bizarre. But I think if Alabama kind of continues that upward trajectory, there's no real reason to think that they can't just go on and at least get to the know and then at that point, who knows? But yeah, which is wild to say. [00:21:17] Speaker A: Because I actually just found a graphic from ESPN college Football okay. Says Alabama has a 30% chance to make it to the playoff and right behind Georgia with a 31%. [00:21:27] Speaker B: Yeah, okay. That has Alabama fifth. [00:21:31] Speaker A: They have them 6th. [00:21:33] Speaker C: That's just like the percentages, though. [00:21:35] Speaker A: Yeah, I know. That's the chance that they'll make it. [00:21:38] Speaker B: To the playoff, I think. Wow. Okay. Yeah, that's pretty interesting. [00:21:42] Speaker C: Georgia, it's kind of wild. [00:21:44] Speaker B: They're pretty much completely missouri, they're also completely assuming, just judging by Ohio State is at 74 on this graphic with Michigan at 46. They're also just completely assuming that Ohio State is just going to beat Michigan at Michigan. [00:22:01] Speaker C: Right. [00:22:01] Speaker B: Like, isn't it in the big? [00:22:02] Speaker A: They're assuming Ohio State. [00:22:04] Speaker C: Ten. [00:22:05] Speaker A: They're assuming Ohio State's beating Michigan and Georgia's losing to either Missouri or Florida, which is just wild to me. [00:22:11] Speaker B: Well, it's also wild to give Oklahoma a 63% chance beating UCF by two. [00:22:17] Speaker C: By two points. Yeah, it's a playoff predictor and essentially Alabama has like a 30% chance to win out, which is probably fair. [00:22:26] Speaker B: Yeah, I agree. [00:22:28] Speaker C: It's hard to win so many games in succession like this, but yeah, Georgia being 31% is wild. But I don't know how much I value the ESPN also playoff predictor app that essentially I tried it once on the website. If you go on there, it's like pick a team and you pick, I don't know, say like Texas and you're like, okay, how many losses do they finish with you're? Like, one, and it's like they have 90% chance of making the playoffs. Okay, well, all right, sweet. [00:23:01] Speaker B: Yeah, good. [00:23:01] Speaker C: Nice. That's real. [00:23:03] Speaker A: We're making the playoffs. [00:23:04] Speaker C: Real analytical there. ESPN, I appreciate that. [00:23:07] Speaker B: No explanation. Like a random number generator. [00:23:10] Speaker C: They're like, yeah, number one, they finished with one loss. That means they had to have it's. It's don't but again, like, it's very bizarre to think that Alabama, especially this Alabama team, could there was like an actual chance they could win the national championship win, especially after that Texas game and that Texas South Florida after week three. Yeah, after week three. It was like, oh, are we going to make like a bowl? Yeah. [00:23:49] Speaker B: Alabama. There's been a lot of parity in college football this season. There's not any team in the country that I feel like is just up and away better than Alabama. I'm not saying that we'd beat every team ahead of us. I'm not even saying that we'd beat the majority of the top ten teams. But I do think there's no team that would just dominate every game would. [00:24:14] Speaker A: Be within one touchdown at least. [00:24:17] Speaker B: I agree at most Alabama is not getting blown out by any team ahead. [00:24:22] Speaker C: Of and this is kind of a positive for Alabama in a sense. If they can get through the schedule with one loss, they have played at various points throughout the year, like Ole Miss at A M, Tennessee, LSU at Kentucky, at Auburn. [00:24:39] Speaker B: That's another thing is people, Alabama's kind of built up one of the better resumes in the country this year. [00:24:47] Speaker C: Again, it's going to be hard. They're hard teams or they're hard games but it's like if you can go through all that you have a better resume and you've been talked about and punched in the mouth a lot more than a lot of these other teams. I think Michigan is a really good team. I'm sure we'll talk about them later. But in some know, like if you look at Michigan beating up on Nebraska and mean we've talked about even if they know Penn State and you know, Alabama's resume is probably way better, at least in some know, just in the number of games that teams that they've played. And that means something come kind of the end of the season and playoff time. And I do wonder about that. If it is like Alabama and Georgia and Atlanta, georgia kind of not playing a whole bunch of teams that are super competent. [00:25:46] Speaker B: Kentucky and they get their georgia has to play Ole Miss still. That's a good test. And Missouri. They have Florida, missoula. [00:25:55] Speaker A: They have ole Miss Tennessee. [00:25:56] Speaker B: Oh and Tennessee. [00:25:58] Speaker C: Missouri. [00:25:58] Speaker B: Yeah. So they just had a really back heavy schedule this year's. [00:26:03] Speaker A: Here's my question for Alabama football though. So when do we start putting into consideration putting Miss Terry on salary? [00:26:11] Speaker C: Yeah, really seriously, she probably is in some way. [00:26:16] Speaker A: She might be. [00:26:17] Speaker B: It's a conjoined bank account. But yeah, we'll move on from Alabama. We'll kind of continue with the rest of the show here. But yeah, that was a huge game this weekend and it's kind of sparked a lot of hope on this campus about this team and their national title. [00:26:31] Speaker C: Can't wait for it to be like 35 nothing in halftime. [00:26:34] Speaker B: Yeah in the LSU game. But then we come back and win. So then it's just an ongoing cycle. [00:26:39] Speaker C: It's a 45 35 win, we suck. [00:26:42] Speaker B: For two quarters and then we're the best team in the country. [00:26:44] Speaker C: I was talking to somebody about this at the game yesterday. Like Alabama, they're not like a first half or a second half team. They're just like a half team. [00:26:51] Speaker B: Like whenever they feel like they get. [00:26:53] Speaker C: One half every game in which they're very good and the other half they're. [00:26:57] Speaker B: Not it's just about surviving the bad half. It's not even surviving, it's a second. [00:27:03] Speaker A: And a third quarter. It's just like two quarters within a game. Yeah, Texas, it was the second and the third quarter, but we sucked in. [00:27:11] Speaker C: The first and the fourth. [00:27:12] Speaker B: It's just crazy, too, because last year I thought through the whole year last year I was like, this is so bad that it's not good for my health. And then this year's been just as bad. [00:27:23] Speaker C: Probably worse. [00:27:24] Speaker B: Yeah, maybe worse. [00:27:26] Speaker A: We lost to Texas and I was immediately sick, like a dog. [00:27:30] Speaker B: Blood pressure for last year's Tennessee and LSU games is like an all time oh my God. [00:27:38] Speaker C: I think it's because it was on the road, too, just watching that through like a TV screen. Yeah, I'm just this year, this year at least you got to experience it first. [00:27:49] Speaker A: Yeah, no, I'm stoked for the LSU game. [00:27:51] Speaker B: Yeah, seriously, that's going to be a good one as well. Both teams get a buy as always going into that game. So we'll have no Alabama football this coming weekend, which is good for us because fall break, but as soon as we get back, it'll be LSU hate week. But moving on, we'll do our Performer of the Week. I'll get us started. I said moving on, but my Performer of the Week is Jahad Campbell. He kind of came in and I'm just saying just because I was at this game experiencing it live, you kind of just saw Jahad Campbell everywhere. You saw Jahad Campbell doing everything. He had ten total tackles, second on the team, only to Lawson. He had a TfL, which was the fourth and one on the Alabama 30, where he just jumps or doesn't jump the pile, but runs around the pile, grabs Tennessee's running back and just throws them, basically keeps them from getting the first down. That got the crowd hyped up. And then the scoop and score. I think Braswell forced the fumble, maybe. And then Jahad Campbell goes by, picks it up and runs it in for the touchdown. What he did for not just the team motivating them wise, but for the crowd. He brought the crowd to life. And like Joe and Nick talked about, you could hear the crowd at the University Rec Center, which is like a mile away from the stadium. So Jod Campbell really just created or was the main contributor to an electric atmosphere. He was a game changer. He had a huge second half and like I said, he was just all over the field every play. It felt like you heard the PA announcer say, tackle made by Jahad. Number 30, Jahad Campbell. Or touchdown, number 30, Jahad Campbell, runs it in. So a huge game from him, the biggest game of his life. And he has just been awesome this season. He's going to be on first round draft forwards next year. [00:29:49] Speaker C: Yeah, I'll go next. I'm going to go. A little out there, but this guy did have a record breaking performance. This was a game that a lot of people might have missed because it was on well, actually, maybe not because it was on right before the Alabama game. Air Force and Navy Falcons. The Air Force Falcons, seven, and this is kind of the first stage of the Commander and Chiefs trophy between all the service academies, but Zach Larrier, sorry, laria or layer or something. The Air Force quarterback inefficient four or five for 151 yards had a pretty good game on the ground as well. But his 94 yard touchdown pass and his 151 passing yards in a game propelled Air Force to have more passing yards and rushing yards in the game, which is a rather historic thing for a lot of these teams, because there really isn't. [00:30:57] Speaker B: They only tipped five passes. [00:30:59] Speaker C: Yeah, well, Navy threw the ball actually a lot. I don't really know what they're doing throwing the ball. I don't want to say stick to what you know, but do it, but yeah, I believe it was the longest play at the Navy Stadium. But it was an incredible throw, the 94 yards. And of course I did kind of just wanted to use this as a way to shout out Air Force for being seven and potentially getting through the season unscathed to twelve and but I just wanted to shout that out because Air Force more passing than rushing yards has not happened in a long time. So good for the falcons. For my performer of the week, I'm. [00:31:41] Speaker A: Going to go with Jalen Green from James Madison th he came into this season with four and a half career sacks, but this past Thursday night, the JMU played Marshall and he recorded a program record tying five sacks against their quarterback. He leads the nation in sacks now with 13 through week eight. He led the defense to only allowing 169 total yards. And honestly, he just looks like a dog, to be honest. [00:32:16] Speaker B: JMU is just a bunch of dogs. [00:32:18] Speaker A: He just looks like a dog. [00:32:19] Speaker C: They are a bunch of dogs, their dog. [00:32:22] Speaker A: It's such a shame that they can't go to a ball game this year. [00:32:26] Speaker C: Yeah, it is. And we were talking about this a little bit for the show, I think them and Jacksonville State, who is also I don't know what Jacksonville State's record is, they're not undefeated, but I believe. [00:32:37] Speaker A: They'Re not doing bad. [00:32:38] Speaker C: They're either bowl eligible or close to with that, like five wins, they should just play each other, like schedule play in December. [00:32:45] Speaker B: Schedule, yeah, that's a really good idea. [00:32:48] Speaker C: Schedule. Just a random game. Like some TV company will pick it up. The CW, ABC, NBC, Fox, whoever. [00:32:56] Speaker A: Jville states six and two right now. [00:32:58] Speaker C: Six and two. So they're both bowl eligible. [00:32:59] Speaker B: Perfect. [00:32:59] Speaker C: It doesn't matter what they finish, just play each other. Yeah, they could nationally televised or get the game on TV. [00:33:05] Speaker B: It would get a solid amount of. [00:33:07] Speaker C: Views, honestly, probably with some of these bowl games that essentially JMU and Jacksonville State are going to be leaped over for. And again, I don't know a lot of these teams records, but if you're going to put in two, six and six teams that have legitimately no interest, essentially, this is just like a fun. [00:33:28] Speaker B: Little vacation played in Hawaii. I'd rather watch JMU and JSU play than any Iowa game. [00:33:35] Speaker C: Yeah, that's true. Any Iowa or Nebraska, there'll be points scored in that one. Yeah. So, I mean, I think they should just play each other. I don't care what you call it. I don't care if it's like the outsider bowl or something. You just can't get in, but you just can't just play it. [00:33:51] Speaker B: Well, they can't call it a bowl. [00:33:53] Speaker C: That's true. It's a game. [00:33:55] Speaker B: Yeah, it's a game. [00:33:56] Speaker A: I want one of those. But with the worst teams in college. [00:34:00] Speaker B: Football, I'd like the full on Final Four. You got a one in six Nevada who shout out, won their first, and. [00:34:09] Speaker A: Then Vandy is always a lock. [00:34:12] Speaker B: Vegas rancher. I mean, we can't even say Virginia played their way out of the bottom four. [00:34:18] Speaker A: I was going to say Virginia. [00:34:19] Speaker C: You can't do that anymore. [00:34:20] Speaker B: Virginia is now on the outside looking in. [00:34:23] Speaker A: They don't suck. [00:34:27] Speaker C: JME or Jacksonville State should, especially when you look at, like I remember and I know I think it was the COVID year. Like, Coastal Carolina played BYU and like a week's notice. [00:34:38] Speaker B: I do remember that they played each. [00:34:40] Speaker C: Other on, like, a Thursday. [00:34:41] Speaker B: It was the COVID year. It was just like both of them had games get canceled, and they were just like, all right, let's play each other. And then it was like the coolest game of all time. You had Zach Wilson and BYU against, like, Grayson McCall and the undefeated Coastal. Yeah, that game was Mormons versus what do they call it? Mormons versus. [00:35:04] Speaker C: You'Re telling me they can't do that? Surely they could do that if they yeah, find like, a random open slot, put the game in, whether it's like the first game of the, quote, bowl season, even though it's not a bowl game. Even though it's not a bowl game. [00:35:25] Speaker A: That's what it is. [00:35:25] Speaker C: And the schools are in Alabama and Virginia. We're not cross country driving here. Yeah, come on. [00:35:32] Speaker B: They can't make the conference championship game either. So maybe mess around and throw them in on conference championship weekend. Have them play each other. [00:35:41] Speaker C: Yeah, that might not be a bad or like there's like that, I guess army Navy plays week, I was going to say, because there's like a week break or a week after, I think, conference championship week that nobody else plays. So maybe honestly play it then. But yeah, they have to play this game because both these teams are actually pretty good. It would actually be a really solid matchup. [00:36:08] Speaker B: Yeah, we just sit here and just cook up a fantastic ideas episode by episode. I think last episode was The Big Ten West. Crazy. What did we say? Make them play on Tuesdays. And they could like I don't even remember what we said. It was an awesome plan. [00:36:26] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:36:27] Speaker B: We cooked up how to fix the Big Ten West last week. This week we cooked up how to fix the NCAA's terrible rules of ineligibility for teams that just move into the. [00:36:36] Speaker C: F. I think it's so dumb because if you can move, essentially, I mean, some of these FCF teams are good, but essentially it's a move up and talent. Who you're playing, what you're doing. If you can dominate early credit to these. I mean, Sam Houston State moved up and they're owing seven. [00:36:50] Speaker B: Yeah, the Sam Houston State is exactly why the rules shouldn't be in place because it's not easy to just come in and obviously it's not easy to come in and dominate. These teams are really good, especially FBS. [00:37:03] Speaker A: And FPS should just have relegation like English soccer. [00:37:08] Speaker B: Yeah, they should. Yeah, I 100% agree with that. That'd be cool to see get like a different mix of some of these lower level group of five yeah. [00:37:19] Speaker A: That can actually compete with power five teams. [00:37:21] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:37:22] Speaker A: I take James Madison over van. [00:37:24] Speaker B: Well, I mean, James Madison beat Virginia and Virginia just beat a top ten team in the country last night. [00:37:29] Speaker C: Well, yeah, Virginia is also terrible. [00:37:30] Speaker B: Yeah, Virginia is horrible. [00:37:33] Speaker A: We don't need to talk about that. [00:37:35] Speaker B: This would be a really cool year to see, especially with this Dukes team, james Madison. If they were eligible, I'm sure they would probably get matched up against like an eight and four Big Ten or Big Twelve team, probably Minnesota, and they would probably wax them. To be honest, I wouldn't be surprised if they did. [00:37:57] Speaker C: It wouldn't be that shocking if that did happen. [00:38:02] Speaker B: Anyways, we'll get into Riser. [00:38:04] Speaker C: I was going to say we've talked about James Madison. [00:38:06] Speaker B: Yeah, we have kind of rambled a little bit here, but we're pretty good at yapping. So into our biggest risers. Nick, do you want to start us out with Risers? [00:38:17] Speaker A: I can start us off. I mean, I got Air Force. [00:38:22] Speaker C: Okay, yeah. Didn't have to talk about that. [00:38:26] Speaker A: I've got Air Force. I mean, it's great to see them back in the top 25. They're what, six and one now they're seven and they're still undefeated. Yeah, they're making a run. They're coming for everyone. I actually heard that they want Georgia. [00:38:42] Speaker B: Oh, you heard? [00:38:44] Speaker A: I heard from the grapevine. They're saying that they want Georgia. And honestly, I would love that matchup any day of the week. Please give it to me. [00:38:53] Speaker B: All right. I've got the you as my biggest riser of the week. I'm gloating a little bit because I called this one yesterday on live air, had Miami winning this game. They went in actually had to come back from down. I want to say it was 17 to seven. Yeah, it was 17 to seven in the fourth quarter. Came back from down, beat Clemson in double overtime, awesome performance from the Canes. And what we were talking a little bit about before the show is that this isn't something that you normally see from Miami. Once they kind of get those embarrassing losses in the year, which happens a little bit too much for Miami fans. They kind of tuck their tail between their legs for the rest of the season. And we talked about on this show, actually, that we wouldn't be surprised if this team finished six and six just because of the way that they lost to Georgia Tech. But Props to Miami. They went out with their backup quarterback last night, no TVD, emery Williams went out, played a solid game, and they just got the job done against, you know, Clemson's not great, obviously. They're not even mean. They're not great this year, but anytime a team beats Clemson like that, props to them. Miami was the underdog in this game. [00:40:05] Speaker A: I just want to shout myself out real quick. On week two of this show, I called that Miami would be a great competition team for anyone that they play against. I'm just gloating on myself for a. [00:40:17] Speaker C: Yeah, I'll go with my biggest riser. I'm going to go the Rutgers Scarlet Knights. They just had a win over Indiana, so my biggest riser is going to be the Rutgers Scarlet Knights. They had a big win over Indiana, 31 to 14. They're now bowl eligible. I mean, Indiana, to be fair, is pretty trash. And Rutgers kind of won this game through their running game. Gavin Whimsat had 143 yards. They actually had 200 yard rushers, but Wimsat had 143 yards, three touchdowns. Kyle, I believe it's Mona G or Monaj had 109 yards, 24 carries, and this is, I mean, it's pretty crazy to think about. Rutgers is obviously a Big Ten team. They're historically barely a Big Ten team, but they're at six and two this year. They have a tough stretch coming up, like their end of the year is I believe they still yeah, they have Ohio State at Iowa, at Penn State, Maryland, so they could very well lose out. Maybe you beat Iowa, but they're six and two. They haven't won more than six games. They haven't won six games at all since 2014. Most of those years have been four wins. Five wins. They actually made a bowl game at five and seven a couple of years ago. Yeah. And yet James Madison can't get in disgraceful. But, yeah, Greg Shiano has kind of turned them around. He's one of the better coaches. They've had historically coached him a while in the 2020 ten. So for him to get this program kind of going and going in the right direction, and for them to be six and two bowl eligible. We talked a little bit about the show before the show where it's just a bummer that they're in the Big Ten East this year because they're probably finishing fourth. You say if Michigan, Ohio State, Penn State, all ahead of, like, they would dominate the know. They're they're my biggest risers. I think that they should be ranked. They're not as of, like, I don't know, five minutes ago, the AP poll. [00:42:47] Speaker B: Actually literally came out while we're recording this. [00:42:51] Speaker C: Yeah, but I think they should be ranked. But they're not. But still credit to them. They became kind of essentially went from a laughing stock in the Big Ten, like, everyone's free win to now they're like a legitimate, competent and good football team and credit to them, and we'll see how they do against Ohio State. [00:43:13] Speaker B: As for faller of the week, I think we're going to have some similar picks here. I feel like the pretty obvious answer, at least for me, was UNC. This is a UNC team that had playoff aspirations Saturday and now have lost. [00:43:27] Speaker A: To one of the worst teams in. [00:43:28] Speaker B: College in college football, period. [00:43:30] Speaker C: Sorry. I mean, I did want to say this. Virginia almost lost to William and Mary. [00:43:34] Speaker A: Virginia almost lost to William and Mary. They lost to Boston College. [00:43:38] Speaker B: They lost to the Dukes. [00:43:41] Speaker A: They lost to the Dukes. They lost to Maryland. I mean, Maryland's not Maryland's good or Maryland's not bad, but NC state. [00:43:50] Speaker B: Yeah, this Virginia team is awful. They were kind of widely regarded as the worst team in power, five at least going into this week. And they beat UNC at UNC in Chapel Hill last night. Pretty terrible performance. Even Drake May didn't play well. 24 for 48, 350 yards, two touchdowns, a pick rushing touchdown as well. But QBR 44. [00:44:14] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:44:14] Speaker A: Virginia lost to a Boston College team that almost lost to Holy Cross. [00:44:22] Speaker B: Yeah. This was just another week of ACC shenanigans, bro. [00:44:28] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:44:29] Speaker B: Last week we had Pittsburgh beating Louisville. [00:44:31] Speaker C: Two weeks ago, bowling Green or whatever beat Bowling Green. [00:44:33] Speaker B: Beat Georgia Tech by double digits. [00:44:36] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:44:37] Speaker B: Georgia tech beat miami. That's another one that was like that this kind of so, yeah, the ACC is just kind of doing the old Pac Twelve routine of killing themselves out of contention. Out of contention. And Florida State has been pretty close to it numerous times now. They kind of put it together in the fourth quarter last night against Duke. But yeah, as for UNC, though, they're my biggest follower. They've played their way out of playoff contention. I saw some UNC fans last night saying that they could win out and still get in. No, you can't. You can't lose. [00:45:09] Speaker A: Absolutely. [00:45:10] Speaker B: I don't care if they win the ACC. [00:45:13] Speaker C: That's a resume killer. Killer. You could beat Florida State probably, like, twice in the same season, and I don't know if that would come out. [00:45:24] Speaker B: They wouldn't even deserve it. It's not even just a matter of the playoff committee wouldn't put them in. They wouldn't deserve to be in. You don't deserve to be in the playoffs losing to a team this bad. Virginia is on par with like, this might be a little bit of a stretch, but Virginia is probably on par with solid FCS teams. [00:45:46] Speaker C: This Virginia, this Virginia team par with what Colorado was last year. [00:45:54] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:45:54] Speaker C: Where it was like Colorado was like one in eleven where it's like, whoa. [00:45:58] Speaker B: This isn't even like just one of the worst Power Five teams. This is like one of the worst. [00:46:03] Speaker C: This Virginia team would lose too. And to be honest, because I don't want to rag on Virginia too, it's been brutal for them. Obviously the university had yeah, obviously the. [00:46:18] Speaker B: Football program, we're not just trying to trash them. [00:46:20] Speaker C: It was a football player killing their own team. It's real bad for them. And maybe, to be honest, maybe this is kind of like the click for them. [00:46:30] Speaker B: They've won two straight. [00:46:31] Speaker C: It could be well, okay, yeah, they won like one and a half. [00:46:35] Speaker B: One of them was William and yeah, maybe William and Mary count should count as two. That's fact because they beat William and. [00:46:43] Speaker C: It they beat both. They're actually three and five. They're heading towards Volts, but still no, I mean, either way, the UNC shouldn't be losing to them. Virginia is awful. They probably lose to a top tier FCS school for sure. [00:46:58] Speaker B: I was saying they would probably lose to the top 15. I mean, if Sack State can beat Stanford and Stanford, I feel like Stanford is better than this Virginia team. [00:47:11] Speaker C: North Dakota State could probably have their way with Virginia. [00:47:14] Speaker B: Yeah. And then like you said, William and Mary. I don't even know where William and Mary stands as far as FCS goals, but William and Mary did compete with Virginia the game before. This weird, weird spot for William and. [00:47:32] Speaker C: Mary is four and. [00:47:36] Speaker B: Yeah, tough one for UNC. Mac Brown has just kind of got them in this cycle of mediocrity where they're just never going to take that. [00:47:46] Speaker C: Cycle of it's not even like mediocrity. It's like kind of like what we've talked about with Notre Dame and to. [00:47:53] Speaker B: Be honest, in Penn State, what was Penn State level? [00:47:56] Speaker C: But that's probably a better example. I was going to say like Clemson, not this Clemson, but the last maybe like General ten years where it's like you always have that good season, but there's like this one random game for Clemson. I remember they lost to Syracuse twice, pittsburgh once. Yeah. Pitt once, where you're just like, okay, how are you going to win a national championship if you keep having these. [00:48:25] Speaker A: Random you can't beat a one in. [00:48:27] Speaker C: Five team against teams that you really shouldn't have a game that shouldn't be game. UNC beat Syracuse 40 to seven and they couldn't pull away from Virginia at all. And it kind of kills a lot of your title hopes. Apparently, I don't know this fully to the full extent. Mac Brown has, like, a history of this. [00:48:49] Speaker B: Yeah, exactly. That's what I was saying. A lot of UNC fans were pointing that out as well, saying kind of like, well, this is the Mac Brown thing. We start solid, but then it's just ridiculous. You can't take your own team seriously when you're doing stuff like this on. [00:49:08] Speaker C: A yearly basis, to be honest. We talked about it with Miami when they lost to Georgia Tech. This is a type of loss where UNC I don't know what the attitude is, like, in that locker room right now. They don't have like, a tough well, they have a couple of tough games, I should say. I mean, their next two are Georgia Tech and Campbell, I think. [00:49:31] Speaker B: Do they have to play Duke? [00:49:32] Speaker C: They have to play they have to play Clemson on the road, which Clemson's not very good, but they have talent. And then they have to play NC State in the rivalry game. So it's not an easy stretch, but UNC could very well go from like, oh, six and one. I guess they were six and six, and O potential playoff team could win the ACC to now. It's like, okay, you could very well be like six, and you could very well finish like eight and four. [00:50:04] Speaker B: Yeah. I feel like UNC deserves the unanimous faller from all. No, UNC does not deserve this shout out of the week. We actually do need to need to think about that. [00:50:20] Speaker A: Who does our shout out of the week go to? [00:50:26] Speaker B: It has to just be like a funny what's an ironic shout out to make. [00:50:32] Speaker A: Can we give it to, like, Tennessee. [00:50:33] Speaker C: Fans for complaining about wrestling shout out of the week bro? In the best form of irony ever, the Washington rushing game shout out of the week arizona State. Washington. Huge win over Oregon. Last week play. Arizona State, who's one in six. Washington went 15 to seven. They scored twelve fourth quarter points to pull this one out. [00:50:59] Speaker B: This is the 2019 LSU offense. [00:51:03] Speaker C: Yeah. Michael Pennix did not have he had two picks. It was not his best game. 27 to 42 275. Their rushing attack had 13 total yards, and that includes sacks and all that. So I don't really know what they have. [00:51:20] Speaker B: But, I mean, Pennix doesn't really run a lot. [00:51:22] Speaker C: Pennics doesn't run a lot, to be honest. He only had negative one rushing yard. [00:51:27] Speaker B: Yeah. So that's not even, like, taken into account really here. [00:51:30] Speaker C: This is literally just the Huskies finished 13 carries for 13 yards. [00:51:40] Speaker B: Sorry. And one of the touchdowns was a pick six, by the way, in the fourth quarter. Arizona State went for it on fourth and one from the 15 yard line, and Washington picked it off and took it 80 yards. [00:51:53] Speaker C: I don't know if there's like a stat sheet, like facade or something. So they had Will Nixon one carry for 13 yards. Dylan Johnson had eight carries for six yards and then three guys in the negative. So if you really look at it, if Will Nixon did not have his lone 13 yard rush, they would have had twelve carries for zero yards. [00:52:17] Speaker B: And my question is, why was Will Nixon not just force fed the ball? [00:52:20] Speaker C: I don't know. One carry for 13 yards. And to be fair, Dylan Johnson eight carries for six yards along of 13, though. So he's only went backwards after that run. So I don't even know how this is physically possible to do, because if you have a football team, in theory, you're going to run the ball for at least like a yard or two every time you run it. So I don't know how you have eight carries for six yards. I don't know what they were even trying to do. Surely by the second or third quarter, you're like, guys, what are we? Yeah, we got to change something. Like, we talked about Tommy Reese and Alabama changing at halftime, like Washington really had to change. And it's kind of a miracle that they actually won this game because it was seven to three at half, arizona State was winning, and then the Huskies ratled off twelve points in that fourth quarter. And it wasn't like in a bizarre, bizarre ways that they scored. I believe it was a field goal. [00:53:24] Speaker B: And pick six, the only touchdown was the pick six. [00:53:26] Speaker C: Yeah, it was field goal, pick six and a field goal. And yeah, that's my shout out of the week, though, the Washington running back. [00:53:34] Speaker B: You almost have to even think because just because the Arizona State pick six was on like, the Washington 15, if Arizona State gets that first down, they were up seven to six when it happened in the fourth quarter. If Arizona State gets that first down, they probably win the game. And you even start to think, even if they just took their three, went up ten to six, with the way that Washington's offense had been playing that game, it's not even a guarantee that Washington would have came back and won. [00:53:59] Speaker C: That game, which is you're not really. [00:54:01] Speaker B: Rough to think about. [00:54:02] Speaker A: I'd like to give another shout out, if I may. Yeah, I just want to give it to Tennessee fan. I want to read off a few of these tweets. [00:54:13] Speaker B: We've got some major copium from Tennessee fans this week. [00:54:17] Speaker A: We got totally dirty. I guess Bama money is greener or deeper. [00:54:21] Speaker B: I saw that one. [00:54:21] Speaker A: Bama may have been better, but we will never know since the refs determine the outcome. It's legitimately comical how biased this officiating is. No tears here. We were the better team, hands down. Y'all's tears got y'all the W. If you can celebrate that cheating win, you don't know football. [00:54:41] Speaker B: And then we've so, okay, so we actually here at the fourth and goal show we don't know ball. We're not bald. [00:54:48] Speaker A: No, we are not bald. [00:54:50] Speaker B: If you celebrate, that's what we gosh. Looking back on it, I know hindsight is 2020, but we could have prevented the whole goalpost thing if we just said, hey, we had 17 penalties. If you guys are actually serious about rushing the field and celebrating, you guys don't know ball, and then they wouldn't know what you're talking about. It would have been wraps at that point. [00:55:13] Speaker A: I just got two more tweets I want to read real quick. These refs have to be getting paid. This is just fixed. Feels fixed. And then to cap it all off, we've just got one that says it's rigged. [00:55:24] Speaker B: It's rigged. [00:55:25] Speaker C: It's rigged. [00:55:26] Speaker B: The sport full of 20 year olds is rigged. [00:55:29] Speaker C: Yeah, the sport of 20 year olds reft by, like, 50 year olds, as if the refs are I do get, like, there were some really weird calls in this game. Like, Tennessee had that. [00:55:40] Speaker B: Yeah, well, Royal got punched in his face. Yeah. Royal Williams got second. [00:55:44] Speaker A: That catch on the kickoff was a little confusing. That was pretty confusing. [00:55:48] Speaker C: I don't even know if I fully understand. [00:55:50] Speaker B: I still don't understand. They didn't really do a good job of explaining that. [00:55:53] Speaker C: I thought that that defensive holding call, I forgot. [00:55:57] Speaker B: Yeah. On the third down, I thought it was uncatchable. [00:56:00] Speaker C: So it was like I thought that was weird. They had a couple of OD calls, but at the end of the day, the game's over. [00:56:06] Speaker B: There was also listen, this could have. [00:56:09] Speaker C: Very well been the 18th game in a row Alabama had won if the refs didn't throw a flag last year on yeah. [00:56:14] Speaker B: On a pitch that would have iced the game. [00:56:16] Speaker C: So, like, listen, all right, just take what you get. [00:56:18] Speaker B: Yeah, that and then there's at least two instances I can think of where Milton was able to step up in the pocket and run away that every single person wearing white and orange was holding. There was a couple of those calls that went away, and then, like we talked about before the show, Roydell Williams literally gets clocked in the face a full 5 seconds after the play. [00:56:45] Speaker C: Like, Tyson would have been proud, but anyways, yeah. [00:56:50] Speaker B: Oh, well. Cope harder, I guess. [00:56:54] Speaker C: Get better. [00:56:55] Speaker B: A lot of those Tennessee fans probably saw Alabama lose to them for the first time in their memory last year, so good job for them, I guess. [00:57:07] Speaker A: There were Tennessee fans lighting up cigars behind me before the game even started. I just want to say shout out to them as well. [00:57:12] Speaker B: Wow. Before the game? [00:57:14] Speaker A: Before the game started. [00:57:16] Speaker B: They probably felt awesome by halftime. Before the game started. [00:57:19] Speaker A: And at halftime, not even cigars. They were lighting up cigarellos. [00:57:22] Speaker B: Oh, wow. [00:57:23] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:57:23] Speaker B: Awesome. Good. Hats off to them. I'm sure they had a fun ride home last night. [00:57:27] Speaker C: I'm sure. [00:57:27] Speaker B: But yeah. Anyways, top five, we'll go through this quick we've kind of had a long episode today. [00:57:34] Speaker C: Virginia in this, right? [00:57:35] Speaker B: So yeah. UVA one, we'll get that out of the way first. But number five for me, I'm actually dropping Washington one spot from what I had him last week. I think that the performance gets arizona State was pretty inexcusable. Yeah. Not a good performance at all, especially at home. And like I said, they don't get that pick six. We might be talking about like, Washington legitimately losing that game. And this game kind of makes the thought start to creep up in your mind. Oh, no, is the Pac twelve about to do it again? Is the Pac twelve about to beat themselves out of the playoff spot again? So hopefully for the Pac Twelve, washington can hang on and try to secure that playoff spot. But as for now, I don't think they're a top four team in the country anymore. I have them docked down to five. [00:58:21] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:58:22] Speaker A: I mean, I'm the same way I would knock them out of the top five and throw in Oklahoma. But Oklahoma's win by two points against UCF just isn't excusable. So I'm also going to have Washington at the five. [00:58:34] Speaker C: Yeah. I'm going to be honest. I actually got rid of Washington in my top five I put in Oklahoma. I don't think it's necessarily beating UCF by two is like a better win. [00:58:47] Speaker B: But UCF is better than Arizona. [00:58:49] Speaker C: UCF would beat Arizona State first of all. And I'm not as concerned, I don't think about Oklahoma as I am Washington. Arizona State actually gave people a blueprint on how to beat Washington. Arizona State, if they had just, like, talent, if they just had a little more talent, would have won this game. So that's why I have Oklahoma at my just, I don't know. That was just such a brutal. [00:59:18] Speaker A: That. [00:59:19] Speaker C: Was just such a brutal way to do it, to have that happen. It was a terrible game. So that's why I have Oklahoma at five. [00:59:29] Speaker B: Yeah. As for me, number four, I actually dropped Oklahoma out of my top five from last week and I have Florida State swooping in at number four. I think they've built up a little solid resume for themselves. The LSU win is starting to climb back up and look like a little bit better of a win with LSU performing the way they have the last couple of weeks. And in that fourth quarter, they really figured it out. Duke's a good football team. They scored 38 against a really good Duke defense, too. And even though Riley Leonard got hurt, I still think Florida State would have won that game as they did either way. So I got Florida state at four for right now. [01:00:07] Speaker A: For me, I think I'm going to go the same Florida State at number four. They're building up their resume. This is their second top 25 team. They've beat no second top 20. Duke was 16, right? [01:00:19] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:00:20] Speaker A: This is their second top 20 team that they've beat. They're building up their resume. It was a good win as well. [01:00:27] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:00:27] Speaker A: So I've got Florida State at my four. [01:00:30] Speaker C: I'm going to agree with you guys. Florida state, good win for them. So I thought that their game plan in that fourth quarter was really good. That kind of pulled them out of it. Florida state. [01:00:46] Speaker B: Yeah. Go Knowles. Number three for me. Same as last week. I've got Michigan at three. I know they've got the big scandal going on, or potential scandal at least. And Michigan, one thing I'd like to point out about Michigan, they get harped on for their schedule a lot and it is like really bad. But it is hard to knock them when they are absolutely obliterating every team they play, no matter where it's at, no matter who it is. And this was more of an eye opener for me just because it is a rivalry game on the road, you expect to see at least a little bit of fight for Michigan State even if they're having a down year and Michigan just shut that out really quick. So I did actually consider having Michigan jump up into the two spot because I do think that they will beat Ohio State. But it's just a matter of as of right now, the Ohio State resume keeps getting better and the Michigan resume is just not there yet. But all in all, I think this Michigan team is a really good team and I think they'll be in the. [01:01:42] Speaker A: Playoff after this past week. Seeing what Michigan was able to do and seeing what Ohio State was able to do, I think I'm putting Georgia back to my number three spot this week. It's just a resume thing. They haven't played anyone all year. Of course they played ICC teams, but they've played they played Kentucky. Yes, but other than that, they haven't played any good teams this year and they're not beating them by more than two touchdowns every time. So I'm putting Georgia at my number three. [01:02:14] Speaker C: Yeah, I'm actually going to do the same thing. I have Georgia at my number three. Know, maybe it's because they had a bye week this week that just couldn't really watch them play, but kind of what all you said, nick, kentucky win. They've got about the same the Kentucky one is yeah. The way that they won the game. [01:02:34] Speaker A: Was a really good 51 to 13. [01:02:37] Speaker C: The game was never really in question. But I don't know. I do worry about them a little bit with kind of honestly the same issues I worry about with Alabama at some points. They've gotten off to some slow starts. I don't know how well they're going to handle a road game. It seems like they're not. [01:02:56] Speaker A: Yeah, they could barely handle a road game, a road game in Vanderbilt. [01:03:00] Speaker C: And I think they only have three or four road games this mean, if they get into the postseason, I know the SEC championships in Atlanta, but if they get into the playoff, say they got to go to Texas or I don't know where the bowl games are. [01:03:18] Speaker A: They know they're going to Fare this year. They play in think that I wouldn't be surprised, I would not be shocked if Georgia against Tennessee and Neiland. [01:03:29] Speaker B: Yeah. Because like Joe said, you kind of get these teams where it's like you can tell, like, okay, this team's good, but at some point these slow starts and this letting teams playing down your opponents is going to catch it's going to catch up. But as for now, I've got Ohio State at number two. I think that this Ohio State team is building up a resume, but as far as itest goes, I don't know if I have seen enough to give them that knock to number one. And I had a really hard time keeping them above Michigan. It was just the sheer fact that they did beat the number seven team in the country pretty convincingly. But that run game, at least without Trayvon Henderson, who's been out for the last few weeks, is really rough. I don't know if you all got to see it, but Penn State was just all over them in the backfield. Penn State probably had close to ten TFLs on run plays from Ohio State. That's something that they've got to get addressed. Kyle McCord didn't look great at all, and I just don't think he is that great. But luckily for them, Marvin Harrison has came alive. He has reestablished himself as the best wide receiver in college football, probably, and probably wide receiver one on the draft too. But yeah, I have Ohio State at two for now. [01:04:41] Speaker A: Yeah, I've got Michigan at my two. Like Cadence said, his last go around, when he put them at their three, they beat Michigan State 49 to nothing. I saw a stat that said that that's the most points they've scored at Michigan State ever. [01:04:58] Speaker B: Wow. [01:04:58] Speaker C: Which, okay, that's crazy. [01:05:01] Speaker A: It's very surprising. It's very impressive. They beat them by 49 49 to nothing. I'm sorry, I'm going to stop saying that's impressive. I mean, it's almost always a close game. We saw what happened a few years ago with that kick return. Michigan doesn't have the greatest resume, but at the same time they've allowed very few touchdowns. So that's why they're at my I. [01:05:25] Speaker B: Don'T think they've given up more than ten this year. [01:05:27] Speaker A: No. [01:05:27] Speaker C: In a game, yeah, I'm going to have Michigan at my two just simply for the fact that I think Ohio State beating Penn State and the win at Notre Dame are just better. It's just a better resume. I don't really know if I could necessarily say wholeheartedly that Michigan is or Ohio State's better than Michigan, but just for the sake of a ranking. [01:05:53] Speaker A: I. [01:05:53] Speaker C: Think Michigan they've looked really good. Obviously, you have to factor in who they play. [01:05:58] Speaker A: But. [01:06:01] Speaker C: Like, UNC. And some teams have shown it's really hard to beat teams that you're supposed to every week, and Michigan can do it. But yeah, I just don't think they need that really signature win in a couple of weeks when they play at Penn State. Even though I don't think Penn State is as cracked up as they are as they were. Like, that would be a big win, obviously, at Ohio State, not at Ohio State. The Ohio State Michigan game this year at that's another signature one. But I just have Michigan in my number two just for the fact that I think Ohio State is a better win or two. [01:06:46] Speaker B: Better two better wins. Yeah. And even Maryland is a better win than probably any team Michigan's beaten. [01:06:53] Speaker C: Yeah. Michigan will play Maryland. Yeah. [01:06:57] Speaker B: For me, I've got Georgia at number one. I just had a hard time docking Georgia down over a bye week. I do think that it's time to separate the men from the boys in college football season, especially for Georgia. Coming up, they've got the I mean, just kind of a gauntlet to end their season with Florida, Ole Miss, Tennessee, Missouri, like we were talking about. But yeah. As for now, I'm going to keep Georgia one just because I just don't want to punish a team for having a bye week. Carson Beck before the bye week was starting to look better. He was improving, so hats off to him for that. Yeah, I've got Georgia at one, obviously. [01:07:35] Speaker A: I've got Ohio State on my one this week. They've got a great quarterback, kyle McCord. He's a great quarterback. And they've got one of, if not the best wide receiver in the nation. And they're just a great duo. Marvin Harrison Jr. And Kyle McCord. I would say one of the greatest duos in college football right now other than Washington's. Michael Pinix and what's his name, his. [01:08:02] Speaker B: Wide receiver one aroma Denze. [01:08:04] Speaker A: Yeah, that's who it is. They might be right behind them, but, I mean, it's a fun team to watch. Ohio State's got a great defense and then beating the number seven team in the nation. It'll add to that resume and it'll boost you ahead. So that's why Ohio State is my one. [01:08:23] Speaker C: Yeah. I also have Ohio State at one. I think the Penn State win, like I said previously, it's the best or not the best, but it's a better win than Michigan has. And to be honest, I was really impressed with just how Ohio State made the Penn State offense look like a legitimate D Two offense. [01:08:47] Speaker B: Yeah. Drew Aller was like, what, 18 for 42? [01:08:50] Speaker C: I think Drew Aller was number 1818 for 42, 191 yards a touchdown. The Penn State averaged 1.9 yards per carry. Didn't really have, like, a great running game. Ohio State didn't play all that well offensively either. But I just think the way that they essentially made penn State quit offensively, this was a Penn State team that 63 against UMass last week isn't all that crazy, but 38 against West Virginia. They scored 30 against Illinois, 31 against Iowa, 41 against Northwestern, and then to put up twelve against Ohio State. I think that just kind of showed me that. I think Ohio State's defense is know everyone talks about Georgia, but I think Ohio State's defense is one of the best in the. [01:09:41] Speaker B: Yeah, this is a really long of like we said, we're pretty good at yapping, but yeah. As for the show, I'm Kaden Johnson. You can find me on Twitter at Kaden l Johnson. [01:09:54] Speaker A: I'm a producer, Nick Gaddis. You can find me on Twitter at jngattis. [01:09:58] Speaker C: And I'm Joe shots. You can find me on Twitter at joe shots. [01:10:01] Speaker B: 15 and we'll be back we'll probably be back after the LSU game, right? With fall break next week, most likely. [01:10:11] Speaker C: Yeah, depends. [01:10:12] Speaker B: So we'll see what the rules are like. As for always, this is the Fourth and Goal Podcast signing off.